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14 Nov 2008
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Investment Bank Recruiter ()
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| Although its worth staying in contact with headhunters for the future, do not expect them to find you a job. All HR recruiters I know have been told to fill any vacancies they have directly - there is no budget to pay recruitment fees. Direct approaches and networking is the only way in... |
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14 Nov 2008
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| I traded Credit Exotics at the top American bank until I was laid off in June. I have read every one of your articles CDOJoe and trust me when I say I understood every emotion you went through.
I'm not going to comment on this article specifically but I just wanted to say: keep trying, don't give up whatever the circumstances and you and I know it's a numbers game (though it's heavily stacked against us right now...) |
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15 Nov 2008
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Wise and Worldly ()
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| I find it Ironic that you mention how recruiters calls went unanswered during the good times, then suddenly your friends are complaining about unanswered calls when they are on the receiving end.... The people I know who were made redundant and went quickly and effortlessly back into work were those who were clever enough to realise that cultivating strong relationships with recruiters during good the good times was a far more sensible approach. Also I wouldnt bank on the direct approach route - a direct candidate will in very few instances win over a agency backed one. |
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15 Nov 2008
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M&A ()
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| to Wise and Wordly,
I'm in the UK IBK market since 1 and half year and the only thing I know for sure is that recruiters have fake jobs... I always apply directly and it always worked well!
While, when you go through recruiters you are wasting ur time, because in most of cases you are applying for fake jobs, that doesn't exist! |
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17 Nov 2008
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Think About It.... ()
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| If most recruiters peddled fake jobs - how would they make their money? Since clients only pay on a successful placement. Such a sweeping statement doesn't even start to make business sense. As for direct - with so many unvetted candidates going directly, recruiter represented/assessed candidates have the edge over 50% of the time. So don't discount the recruiters. |
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17 Nov 2008
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| M&A - From your comments I think it would be safe to assume English is not your first language? Certain French banks for instance are more likely to take a direct applicant for their London office. |
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17 Nov 2008
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Tom Jonez ()
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| M&A
Your a bad lad who doesnt have a clue about the market |
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17 Nov 2008
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jonnybgood ()
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| direct approaches probably get ignored more so than a recruiters...imagine an MD getting 20-30 CVs a week, most completely irrelevant just trying pot shot email at a name he's heard....on the other hand a recruiters CV will be relevant to the MD...and he knows this... so do the math...which CVs do you think he'll dump in the recycle bin and which will he look at... even if a completely relevant CV comes in...considering the fact hat the last 30 CVs he's opened have been from random grads, or totally irrelevant people, you’ve got a strong chance he's going to press the delete button without even opening the email!
So Investment Bank Recruiter what are you talking about??? Its a shame that some people will listen to bad advise...sometimes this advise can ruin someone's career...so people, if you don't know what you are talking about, please don't comment!!! |
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17 Nov 2008
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M&A ()
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| I answer to some comments:
Not only the most (obviously not all) of the recruiters' jobs are fake, but there are some Recruiters that are also spamming this web site, for the purpose of not letting people apply directly... who is the bad guy here? I don't do names, but all of you can easily see who are the recruiting companies that are spamming this web site in order to avoid direct communications between employers and candidates! |
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17 Nov 2008
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John B ()
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| M&A - you make no sense. Why generalise so much? I have no doubt there are certain companies advertising fake jobs, but to make such a sweeping statement about something you clearly are making assumptions about is ludicrous. Most Headhunters I have met with are very professional and live and die by there reputation. We all know who the crap Headhunters are, and there are a number out there. The simple answer is to stay clear of them!! easy |
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17 Nov 2008
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| Sorry, but I have to say that I agree with M&A. The recruitment and headhunting industry is a complete sham, I have come across numerous instances of fake jobs being advertised, bogus salaries (or salaries being completely made up during interviews - contrary to ads), consultants literally calling up and reading a job spec down the phone (about roles that they quite obviously don't have a clue about). I could go on, but I'm not going to. I always apply directly to companies, then at least you only have to deal with them and not a consultant.
I love how they threaten "not to forward your CV for the role"....haha - trying to hold me to ransom, I don't think so. My advice would be only deal with them if you have to, otherwise forget it. |
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17 Nov 2008
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christianald ()
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| One other thing - covering letters! I clearly recall being told by a consultant not to worry about the content because they "never read them anyway", and if you are using a 2-page CV, they NEVER bother reading the second page. Consultants/Head Hunters (can someone please explain the difference??) have a lot to answer for in my book, too bad the financial crisis hasn't sorted them out...
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18 Nov 2008
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Henry ()
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| in response to Christianald - Why don't people buy houses directly from the owners and cut out estate agents or why don't people selling ships and cut out the shipbroker etc. I'll tell you why, it is for the simple reason that the 'middlemen' are paid to know their market and broker deals between 2 given parties. I work for a reputable search firm, many people here are ex market themselves and we never advertise fake jobs! We are here to provide a genuine service. Of course candidates can go directly to companies but good luck with your direct applications to companies that may or may not be hiring and hopefully your CV will not go by unnoticed in HRs intray. We can use our relationships to promote candidates we feel are of the right standars to our clients for specific roles. At the end of the day we get paid for a successful placement so it is a waste of our time advertising fake jobs and meeting with people that 'may' be of use in the future. I want to meet with good people relevant to the roles i am working on.. |
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18 Nov 2008
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christianald ()
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| I beg to differ. I'm standing by my comments and real life experiences, and I'll repeat that again - "real life experiences", not something read out of a book whilst at university. Another thing you FAIL to mention, it is the nice, fat juicy commission you get out of "brokering deals between 2 given parties". Ha! Conveniently missed that little fact out didn't you!! I remember a consultant boasting to me down the phone that "recruitment was a lot of fun, and very lucrative". To be fair though, if that is the REAL Henry, at least you have the decency to admit you work for a search firm!! |
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19 Nov 2008
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Recruitment ()
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| I agree with Jonnybgood, the amount of direct applications are on average 90% irrelevant to the job which they are applying for. That's what we recruiters are here for, to separate the wheat from the chaff and ensure that applications are true to the specifications from the client.
With regards to M&A's sweeping statement, if there are agencies out there advertising fake jobs, if this is the case then I wouldn't be surprised if they went bust before the curtain closes on 2008.
In times like these, for the candidate it's important to stay as close to your recruiter as possible and remind them that you are still on the market.
Good luck. |
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